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307B N Main Copperas Cove, TX 76522
It was an unfortunate coincidence when I was
informed that BG (Ret) Guthrie L. Turner, Jr., who commanded the 15th MED in
Vietnam from July 1968 to June 1969 died on 9 January. I had just included a
story in the SEP\OCT 2013 Saber about BG Turner from Terry McCarl, whom he
had served under.
The http://www.mountainviewtacoma.com obituary reads: "BG (Ret.)
Guthrie Lewis Turner, Jr., passed away January 9, 2014 at Madigan Army
Medical Center, the hospital he commanded from 1980 to 1983.
born on May 26, 1930 in Chicago, Illinois. He was raised in Snow Hill North
Carolina, and received a Bachelors Degree from Shaw University, Doctor of
Medicine from Howard University, Master of Public Health from Harvard
University, and Master of Business Administration from Pacific Lutheran
University. He was married to the lovely Ellaworth Kirby on June 6, 1956.
"The only child of Guthrie and Nettie Turner, BG Turner enjoyed a
distinguished military career culminating with his selection as the US
Army's first black physician promoted to the rank of Brigadier General.
After his retirement from the military, Dr. Turner entered a second career
as the Medicaid Director of the Medicaid Assistance Administration of the
Department of Social and Human Services for the State of Washington. A man
who believed in service, Dr. Turner donated his time to many many
organizations such as Shaw University, the Franciscan Health Network, the
National Medical Association, the Madigan Foundation Board, the Tacoma Urban
League, and Oberlin Congregational Church.
"He is survived by his
children, Kimberley Green and Travis, Kevin Turner, and Karen Lee; his
grandchildren Justin Woods, Kia Turner, Marshall Lee, and Mariah Lee; a host
of cousins; and his wife of 57 years, Ellaworth.
service will be held at Oberlin Congregational Church in Steilacoom, WA, at
1 pm on January 25, 2014. In lieu of flowers, donations can be made to the
Dr. Guthrie L. Turner, Jr. Endowed Scholarship at Shaw University."
Terry McCarl sent to me the following eulogy: "BG Guthrie L. Turner Jr.
passed away on January 9, 2014 at Madigan Army Medical Center near Tacoma,
WA, the hospital that he commanded from 1980-1983. The world has lost a
magnificent military officer and commander, physician, humanitarian,
gentleman, and a truly great American.
"It was my privilege to serve
on LTC (then) Turner's staff for seven months while he was the Division
Surgeon of the 1st Cavalry Division and Commander of the 15th Medical
Battalion in Vietnam between July 1968 and July 1969. In my opinion, he was
the consummate commander. He was courageous, dedicated, caring and
compassionate, and, I believe, admired and respected by all who served with
him. He also had a marvelous sense of humor. He was an advocate for everyone
under his command, including those of us in the less visible, but still
essential areas of preventive medicine, optometry, dentistry, veterinary
medicine, medical supply, etc. If there was a need for equipment to enable
us to accomplish our mission, he would always do what he could to obtain it.
"I located and made contact with BG Turner about two years ago, and had
several nice telephone conversations with him over those two years. He
always expressed the utmost of admiration and respect for the people of 15th
Medical Battalion with which he served. In the 'History Documents' on the
15th Med Association Website in a letter dated April 20, 1969 regarding the
43rd. Anniversary of the Battalion, he described 15th Med as 'The best
damned medical battalion in the Army.'
"Some fine tributes to BG
Turner can be found at the funeral home Website,
www.mountainviewtacoma.com and also on the 15th Med Association Website,
<www.15thmedassociation.com>. Click on 'Association Information,' then
'Newsletter,' then 'Feb 2014.'
"Terry A. McCarl, 1LT, MSC, Division
Sanitarian, 11/68-11/69 Plattsmouth, NE
You can also read the many, many accolades to (then) LTC Guthrie L.
Turner, Jr., on the 15th MED Website's February 2014 Newsletters from the
MEDEVAC crew members who served under and knew him.
1st Cav Assn.
Executive Director Dennis Webster also informed that the 15th Brigade
Support Battalion colors were uncased this morning (then 21 Jan 2014) at
0600 with the return of the battalion commander and sergeant major.
also received this notice: "Dear Trooper Bodnar Editor 15th MED \ 15th FSB \
15th BSB News, Please add this information in your next article in the
"SHERIDAN’S CAVALRY CHAPTER, host for the 67th ANNUAL REUNION
JULY 9-13, 2014, are finalizing arrangements and activities for the Reunion
being held west of downtown Chicago in the quiet suburb of Oak Brook,
Illinois at the lush 150 acre Resort at Oak Brook Hills. We are sure all
Troopers will find the resort a great venue for our Reunion.
City of Chicago has had adverse media coverage of late. Sheridan’s Calvary
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area’s two airports, O’Hare and Midway, are an easy safe route to the
"Make your reservation by calling toll-free (855) 458-5701
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Division Association to obtain our special rate of $99 per night plus tax
"See you at the Reunion! Rich O’Brien Sheridan’s Reunion
For those with a decent computer and an interest in
flight simulators, Steam, the king of software gaming platforms, just
started to offer "DCS: UH-1H Huey." Most of the Hueys I see on their trailer
and screenshots have 1st Cav patches and crossed sabers, related. The pilots
illustrated wear a 1st Cav patch. DCS is the abbreviation for "digital
You can feel what it's like to fly a 1st Cav Huey
gunship in Vietnam if you hook up even a basic computer flight control
system to simulate the cyclic and collective. The foot pedals may be added.
Go to http://www.store.steampowered.com to watch the trailers, download
their free portal for your computer for the same purpose, launch the
simulator, and watch for 70-80% off flash sales.
I received a phone
call on February 28, 2014 from Leif Aamot email@example.com who was in 5th
of the 7th Cav '68-'69 and had made the division move down south to III
He e-mailed his question in writing: "Mike: Here is a summary
of the events and situation that I described to you this morning.
"Starting on the 22nd of Nov, 1968, Alpha Company, 5-7th Cav was operating
in grid square XT4887, OPCON to 2-8th Cav. Bravo Company, 2-8th, was also
operating in the same grid. Both companies were working their way to the
"On the 24th, Alpha received log near XT 4888; the log
bird received automatic weapons fire and left the area in a hurry. Alpha and
one other company from 2-8th, probably Delta, moved together toward the
"On the 25th, in grid XT 4687, Alpha encountered a bunker(s)
and had three men killed and another three wounded. The MEDEVAC called in to
pick up the wounded was shot at and returned to LZ Rita. At about the same
time and only 400m away, B 2-8 received mortar fire and a ground attack;
they had twenty-two wounded. Both A 5-7 and B 2-8 utilized artillery
support, ARA and air strikes to break contact. A 2-8 was reportedly within a
300m of A 5-7 but didn't encounter the bunkers or enemy activity.
the morning of the 26th, in the same area, A 5-7 had six more men wounded
and one killed. MEDEVAC was called. Six WIAs and one KIA were loaded on
MEDEVAC 18, from Quan Loi, and it departed. Late in the day we (A 5-7) were
told that MEDEVAC 18 had received heavy automatic weapon fire about a mile
away from where it left us, and it was reported to have crashed shortly
thereafter. C 1-9th Cav sent a bird to locate the downed MEDEVAC, which it
did, but reported erroneous coordinates. By the time we were notified we
were already moving south under orders to vacate the area because an Arc
Light was being called in during the night. By evening we had moved about
two miles to the SW, almost half way to LZ Billy.
"At dawn on the
27th, the Arc Light went in. C 1-9 Cav conducted BDA of the two Arc Light
boxes, which completely covered the areas we had been in the previous three
days. Many destroyed bunkers were sighted. By noon, A 5-7 had been picked up
from a clearing secured by Custer Dodge and airlifted back to LZ Jake.
"On the 28th, A & B companies, 2-8th, made it to the crash site and
reported better coordinates. They reported finding and extracting twelve
bodies, all burned in the crash. The bodies were bagged and a MEDEVAC was
called in to retrieve them and take them back to Quan Loi.
trying to find someone, from either Bravo or Alpha, 2-8th, who was there and
recalls some of the events. Alternatively, I'd like to find someone who had
the 2-8th S-2/S-3 Duty Officer Logs that would provide more details than
I've found in the 2nd Brigade and Division logs."
Leif added, "The
MEDEVAC that was shot at on the 25th, with three wounded aboard, might have
opted to land at nearby Rita instead of risking the longer flight back to
Quan Loi. It isn't clear from the logs.
MEDEVAC 18, shot down on the
26th, crashed about two miles from our location where it had picked up the
six wounded and one KIA. We weren't told that it had been shot down until
later in the day.
"The Memory Wall for 1968 on the 15th MED Website
lists the names of the five crew members who died in the crash: 1LT Stephen
Carl Beals, WO1 James Donald Doran, SP5 Johnny Glen Gregg, SP4 John Stephen
Alling Jr., and PFC Robert Earnest Jones."
I directed Leif to the
National Archives for the after action reports Daily Journals. Also, the 8th
Cav columnist. Anyone in MEDEVAC then could help with what they know.
Contact me or Leif. I would be interested to know who was there then, and
who knew those crew members.
A sergeant in my platoon in C 2-7 Cav,
Jerry "Snuffy" Armstrong, told me about being at LZ Billy, before the rest
of us were in country. Snuffy too had moved south with the division. That
same location was called LZ George at Ap Gu by the 1st Inf. Div. in 1967
during Operation Junction City and the later Secretary of State Alexander
Haig, commanded the battalion there as a LTC. All the 1st Cav LZs mentioned
above were on the Cambodian border.
Steve Banko, D 2-7 Cav then, who
used to write the Saber 7th Cav column, wrote an article about LZ Billy,
which can be found online
http://www.military.com/Content/MoreContent1/?file=vn_noderos , or
Google "LZ Billy."
Always remembering our 1st Cav troops on duty
around the world; over and out.
Bodnar C 2\7 '69
SO THAT OTHERS MAY LIVE